Comments on: LoCo Teams Don’t Need Money //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/ I do stuff with people. Sat, 09 Apr 2011 03:06:47 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Joe Terranova » Blog Archive » A Follow-Up on Touchy Subjects //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-460 Joe Terranova » Blog Archive » A Follow-Up on Touchy Subjects Wed, 12 Sep 2007 03:23:04 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-460 [...] a follow-up to this, I figured I should post to let people know that I will not actually be posting a tally of expenses [...] [...] a follow-up to this, I figured I should post to let people know that I will not actually be posting a tally of expenses [...]

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By: The Linux Index » Joe Terranova: A Follow-Up on Touchy Subjects //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-459 The Linux Index » Joe Terranova: A Follow-Up on Touchy Subjects Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:49:29 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-459 [...] a follow-up to this, I figured I should post to let people know that I will not actually be posting a tally of expenses [...] [...] a follow-up to this, I figured I should post to let people know that I will not actually be posting a tally of expenses [...]

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By: David A. Harding //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-456 David A. Harding Tue, 11 Sep 2007 01:35:45 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-456 I would like to see you talk to Christer Edwards and see if he is willing to reword his statement that, ``the LoCo Project and the US Teams Project, including individual teams, should be able to do their advocacy without the need of funds.'' I think that a small adjustment to that sentence, s/funds/a funds clearinghouse/, would probably better represent Mr. Edwards point and would probably invalidate the reason for your experiment. Then you could both discuss the seemingly-valid issues raised by the rest of the discussion amicably without shoving evidence in his face and telling him he was wrong. Can you please contact Mr. Edwards and see what he says? Thanks, -Dave I would like to see you talk to Christer Edwards and see if he is willing to reword his statement that, “the LoCo Project and the US Teams Project, including individual teams, should be able to do their advocacy without the need of funds.”

I think that a small adjustment to that sentence, s/funds/a funds clearinghouse/, would probably better represent Mr. Edwards point and would probably invalidate the reason for your experiment. Then you could both discuss the seemingly-valid issues raised by the rest of the discussion amicably without shoving evidence in his face and telling him he was wrong.

Can you please contact Mr. Edwards and see what he says?

Thanks,

-Dave

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By: JanC //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-454 JanC Mon, 10 Sep 2007 14:57:00 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-454 We have spent quite a bit of (often personal) money with Ubuntu Belgium too: booths at computer fairs, CD-Rs (Canonical doesn't send enough CDs to cater to all requests anymore), flyers, banners, transportation, ... One way to keep the personal expenses of volunteers as low as possible has been to ask for voluntary(!) gifts when we are at computer fairs. We also got a couple of other gifts (both money & computer equipment). What we get doesn't cover all costs but it sure helps... So, do LoCoTeams need money? I would say: in many cases they do. Do they need a bank account? Well, IMHO it's better for financial transparancy if they have one, instead of using a personal bank account to hold and transfer community money etc. That doesn't necessarily mean that you need to incorporate though--at least not in all countries. We have spent quite a bit of (often personal) money with Ubuntu Belgium too: booths at computer fairs, CD-Rs (Canonical doesn’t send enough CDs to cater to all requests anymore), flyers, banners, transportation, …

One way to keep the personal expenses of volunteers as low as possible has been to ask for voluntary(!) gifts when we are at computer fairs. We also got a couple of other gifts (both money & computer equipment). What we get doesn’t cover all costs but it sure helps…

So, do LoCoTeams need money? I would say: in many cases they do. Do they need a bank account? Well, IMHO it’s better for financial transparancy if they have one, instead of using a personal bank account to hold and transfer community money etc. That doesn’t necessarily mean that you need to incorporate though–at least not in all countries.

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By: joe //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-453 joe Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:36:38 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-453 @amachu: My point is: do LoCo teams have reasons to spend money? Your answer is basically yes, proving my point. I'm not concerned with how important it is to you, or how much effort you put into it; you spend money for legitimate reasons, and also collect money, and there are people who claim that's unnecessary. @amachu:
My point is: do LoCo teams have reasons to spend money? Your answer is basically yes, proving my point. I’m not concerned with how important it is to you, or how much effort you put into it; you spend money for legitimate reasons, and also collect money, and there are people who claim that’s unnecessary.

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By: amachu //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-452 amachu Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:16:36 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-452 for the time being, in my opinion no special effort is needed to maintain & collect funds.. it happened or came our way and we had a bank account to maintain it :-) we do not put or want to put too big of efforts and time in it now.. for the time being, in my opinion no special effort is needed to maintain & collect funds.. it happened or came our way and we had a bank account to maintain it :-) we do not put or want to put too big of efforts and time in it now..

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By: joe //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-450 joe Mon, 10 Sep 2007 09:16:00 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-450 @amachu, in response to your post: I’m not sure what you’re saying here; do you agree or disagree that there are reasons LoCo teams would need money for advocacy? It seems that you’re proving there are, since you’ve stated you’ve 1) spent money, 2) accepted donations, 3) keep a joint bank account to keep track of those donations. @amachu, in response to your post:

I’m not sure what you’re saying here; do you agree or disagree that there are reasons LoCo teams would need money for advocacy? It seems that you’re proving there are, since you’ve stated you’ve 1) spent money, 2) accepted donations, 3) keep a joint bank account to keep track of those donations.

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By: amachu //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-447 amachu Mon, 10 Sep 2007 06:03:29 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-447 I have registered my comments here, http://amachu.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/do-we-need-to-dedicate-time-to-focus-on-money/ I have registered my comments here,

http://amachu.wordpress.com/2007/09/10/do-we-need-to-dedicate-time-to-focus-on-money/

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By: Tony Yarusso //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-445 Tony Yarusso Mon, 10 Sep 2007 04:28:52 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-445 I would also be very interested to hear your ideas for good, respectable ways for a LoCo to raise funds if they decided to do so. I would also be very interested to hear your ideas for good, respectable ways for a LoCo to raise funds if they decided to do so.

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By: David Thomas //www.joeterranova.net/blog/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/comment-page-1/#comment-444 David Thomas Mon, 10 Sep 2007 02:23:17 +0000 //www.joeterranova.net/2007/09/09/loco-teams-dont-need-money/#comment-444 I sure understand were this is coming from. I've spent about $60.00 out of pocket getting ready for Software Freedom day. The software may be free but the Cd's sure are not. So how are you going to go about recording your expenses I'm sure interested in your methods. Also the other day you said I could use something to validate my html and css code. what would be a good one to use. I sure understand were this is coming from. I’ve spent about $60.00 out of pocket getting ready for Software Freedom day. The software may be free but the Cd’s sure are not. So how are you going to go about recording your expenses I’m sure interested in your methods.

Also the other day you said I could use something to validate my html and css code. what would be a good one to use.

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